Jamie Moyer is getting Tommy John surgery and doesn't plan to retire.
I’d love to see a 50 year old pitcher on the mound, but c’mon. No way he’s going to pitch again.
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He’s entering Gordie Howe sideshow territory if pitches into his 50s.
He’s entering Gordie Howe sideshow territory if pitches into his 50s.
With how diluted the talent is in the league with pitchers, Jamie Moyer WILL pitch in 2012 for a major league team. He has proved people wrong his entire career and is looking forward to doing so again.
I will say this, if he wins 10 games in 2012, at the ripe age of 50 and a year removed from TJ surgery, he will lock up his spot in the HoF.
I want to see him pitch, I don’t know how productive he will be, especially after the TJ surgery, but some shitty team with shitty pitchers will definitely take a look at him.
Dude would have tried to pitch again if they only threw some fishing line in his arm. With a new tendon he probably thinks it’ll be easy.
Will be great when he comes back and has an extra MPH on his fastball. Everyone will be fooled by the 81MPH fastball!!!!
I will say this, if he wins 10 games in 2012, at the ripe age of 50 and a year removed from TJ surgery, he will lock up his spot in the HoF.
No. As much as I like Moyer, he’s not a hall of famer. Does Charlie Hough get a spot too?
No. As much as I like Moyer, he’s not a hall of famer. Does Charlie Hough get a spot too?
You can’t even compare Hough to Moyer.
I can’t?
Age of Last Appearance:
Hough – 46 – 25 seasons
Moyer – 48 – 24 seasons(for now)
Record:
Hough – 216-216
Moyer – 267-204
ERA:
Hough – 3.75
Moyer – 4.24
I don’t care what Hutch says, the internet was invented for arguing about sports.
Knuckleballers are a different breed of pitchers. They can pitch longer just because the pitch itself doesn’t add nearly the strain to the arm that other pitches do. Hough, Wakefield, Neikro….long careers because of their main pitch.
Moyer on the other hand is using smoke and mirrors like no one else has ever done and it is pretty impressive.
Both pitchers from the age of 34 to 42 had 133 wins. Moyer had 2 20 win seasons mixed in. From ages 43-46, Hough had 30 wins and Moyer had 53 wins. Sure leaving the AL was beneficial to Moyer, but this alone makes him stand out even more. Heck, if he didn’t get hurt this year, he probably would have had 10-13 wins.
Now, like I said above, IF he comes back in 2012 and pitches for a Major League team and IF he gets 10 wins and does this coming of TJ surgery, then he should def. make the HoF, in my opinion. Will he lock up a spot? Prob not, but he will get more votes then, then he would now.
The baseball hall of fame is a joke. Ten more wins aren’t getting Moyer in. His era is too high. If Jack Morris can’t get in, there really is no chance Moyer can.
luke said:The baseball hall of fame is a joke. Ten more wins aren’t getting Moyer in. His era is too high. If Jack Morris can’t get in, there really is no chance Moyer can.
I agree to a point. There are pitchers that should def. be in the HoF like Morris, Blyleven, amognst others. All I’m saying is that if Moyer does what I think, then it will be nothing short of a miracle and that will open up some eyes.
Now, like I said above, IF he comes back in 2012 and pitches for a Major League team and IF he gets 10 wins and does this coming of TJ surgery, then he should def. make the HoF, in my opinion.
If all that stuff happens, it will be a great story and I’ll be rooting for him. Hall of Fame though? The hall is for elite players. Moyer has never won a Cy Young. I don’t think he’s ever finished in the top 5 in voting. Winning 10 games at age 50 is impressive. I don’t see how its a HoF credential. Julio Franco hit .273 at age 47. Impressive? Yes. Hall of fame worthy? No.
Elite? I don’t think so. Maybe it should be, but it isn’t. Like I said, the baseball hof is a joke.
Bill Mazeroski, Phil Rizzuto, Pee Wee Reese, etc
None of these guys belong in an elite hall of fame. And these are some of the bigger names! There are plenty of virtual unknowns in the hall that absolutely don’t belong
Jim Bunning, Hall of Famer
224-184
3.27 ERA
Is he really more worthy than Moyer?
His ERA is almost a run lower. Not an insignificant stat considering all the innings those guys threw. Bunning made 7 all-star teams. Moyer made 1. He finished 2nd in the Cy Young voting in ’67. He had 2 or 3 dominant seasons where one could make the argument that he was one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball.
Also, Bunning was elected by the Veterans Committee, not the writers.
Nick said:Also, Bunning was elected by the Veterans Committee, not the writers.
What’s the difference? A hall of famer is a hall of famer. No?
Nick said:His ERA is almost a run lower. Not an insignificant stat considering all the innings those guys threw.
Yes, an entire run lower. But the majority of his pitching was in the 1960’s when scoring dropped so dramatically that they lowered the mound at the end of the decade. Was he good, sure. But elite hall of fame pitcher? I don’t think so. Put Moyer in that era and I’m certain his ERA would drop.
Nick said:Bunning made 7 all-star teams. Moyer made 1. He finished 2nd in the Cy Young voting in ’67. He had 2 or 3 dominant seasons where one could make the argument that he was one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball
The all-star game is hardly a measure of anything. Having said that… Moyer was a pretty impressive AL pitcher for Seattle during the late 90’s and early part of the 00’s. He could have easily been selected to four or five all-star teams.
I’m not really trying to advocate that Jamie Moyer is a hall of fame pitcher. Just that the hall of fame is nothing but a joke and many players in it deserve far less to be there than Moyer would.
For the record, I don’t think there is any chance he wins ten more games
For the record, I agree with you on most points. I don’t think Bunning or Moyer are HoF’ers. All I’m saying is that Bunning has slightly better credentials, even though he played in a pitcher’s era.
I think there’s a huge difference between the Veteran’s Committee and the Baseball Writer’s Association. I don’t always agree with the writers, although their standards appear to be much higher. The VC’s primary concern is getting their old drinking buddies elected. I’d be willing to bet that 90% of the mediocre/borderline candidates made it through the VC. Unfortunately, only baseball nerds know the difference.