Lost: 316
Who was expecting Desmond to get hit by that pendulum? Away we go…
As Lost audience members, naturally, we know that we’re supposed to be tying everything together from now to way back to the first episode. But just in case we don’t realize that, the writers keep hitting us with reminders. Jack’s eye started us off tonight. There there was the mentioning of epic math equations and of course, a magic white rabbit.
Desmond might be onto something about being pawns in the grand scheme here. I was thinking that someone else wrote Locke’s suicide note. I also am thinking that whoever took Aaron told Kate to give it up to Jack. Who convinced Hurley? Who lined that up with Sayid? There is manipulation all over the place here. There may not be a good guy at all.
After watching last week’s episode again tonight, I realized that Christian Shepherd is officially moving around the island as more than just an hallucination like those others (the horse, Hurley’s crazy friend, etc.). Therefore, if Jack is bringing Locke back now, then it’s a given that Locke will enter the same realm of existence that Christian is in. Hell, maybe he’ll get some super powers too.
So is this more proof that Locke is Jacob? Remember that shadowy freeze frame seasons ago? I do think that Christian may not be on the same side as Jacob. Christian told Locke to turn the wheel, Ben interpreted this message as “Jacob says Ben turns the wheel.” These are obviously different, and the whole situation caused confusion, which is just what somebody wanted.
Okay seriously, in the church, did Ben slip and say “John” while speaking to Jack? I swear I heard, “We’re all convinced sooner or later, John.”
Jack: “Is he telling the truth?”
Eloise: “Probably not.”
Jack: “These other people on the plane. What’s gonna happen to them?”
Ben: “Who cares?”
Hahahahahaha, seriously though, the little caring man in line behind Jack, and the cop, they probably get eaten by the smoke monster.
I’m glad Jack said what he did in the Lamppost station. Yet again a character says what the audience is feeling (but yet again we get to solid response). What the hell is this all for? Eloise, why the hell are you involved anyway? This plot is moving right along, but there has got to be a refocus on the “big picture.” So that’s it they are back on the island. Now what? What are they doing there? Why? Because a bunch of important-acting people said so?
Theory:
Aaron and Ji Yeon are the “Adam and Eve” found in that cave in Season One.
Comments
Desmond defied all rules of slapstick with that pendulum. if it were Manc Kev, he would have been splattered against the wall.
moments that made me squeal were when Frank announced himself as the captain and when Jin was Jin Workman. Ben being all beat-to-shit was strange, too. it seemed to be a fairly straight-forward episode (going from Point A-ish to Point B-ish) this week.
flashing onto the island Langoliers-style, eh? actually, that whole sequence was pretty much a complete ripoff of that story.
as a whole, i am pretty pleased with the season so far. however, the last 3/4 minutes of this episode pissed me off so much – i HATEHATEHATE seeing what we already saw. they totally could have started that last scene with Kate waking up. fuck you, Jack & Kate – you owe me a few more rewarding minutes of Lost.
That caring man behind Jack is going to be a main focus later on in the season. I recognized his name from the credits and I just feel he will be important in some way.
Again, more questions have arisen:
“Why was Ben’s face bloody?”
“Where did Aaron go?”
“Why was Jin in a Dharma outfit?”
It was good to see those marvelous blue eyes of Jeff Fahey again, I hope he lives through it all.
And I guess we are all set on “Adam and Eve” being a couple from the island. Who? I think Rose and Bernard, but damned we know what the hell happened to the minor survivors of the plane.
Reposting my thoughts from my own board:
Eh, that was a bit of a letdown. The first 2 minutes and the second half of the episode were decent, but the majority of the first half just seemed like a waste of time. I feel like they were trying too hard to not answer any questions. There were so many questions that characters should’ve been asking each other and just didn’t. Hey Mrs Hawking, how do you know all this? We’ve got 36 hours, let’s sit down and explain why this has to happen. Hey Ben, I’m sitting next to you on a plane for a few hours… who the hell beat you up? … an so on.
That middle eastern dude sitting next to Hurley totally has to be a Widmore plant.
So do you think it’s possible that if the plane broke apart coming in that people came through the window onto the island at different angles and ended up at different times? Kinda like how the doctor with his throat cut didn’t float in on the usual bearing so he showed up at the wrong time… maybe Jack/Hurley/Kate showed up in the 70’s and Ben/Sayid/Sun showed up at some other time?
I suppose next week might actually be a questions answering episode since we’ll see Locke going around doing all his stuff.
Ben, when leaving the church said, “I made a promise to an old friend of mine.”
My only guess here is that he could be referring to his promise to Widmore to kill Penny. So perhaps he went after Desmond to find her and that led to whatever caused him to get beat up.
Maybe he killed Penny which is going to cause Desmond to get back to the island for revenge.
And maybe Desmond not going with them could do, what Bill said, casue a rift and send some to a different time.
And yeah, so many new questions, so many unanswered questions, but with about 25 or so episodes left in the series, I am sure we will be finding out the answers to everything.
shmEvan said:Yeah, I just said the same thing on my board. Except I prefaced it with “I hope not because I like Penny!”Maybe he killed Penny which is going to cause Desmond to get back to the island for revenge.
I think he went to kill her, but probably didn’t get the job done. Widmore knew where Desmond was heading, and probably assumed Penny would be with him. He could have had someone on the lookout for Ben in LA.
The writers set it up so there could be a ton of flashback episodes. Each of the O6 obviously has a back story again. I assume we’ll be seeing them in the coming weeks.
With the whole the 06 being back on the plane and having to make it as realistic as the first crash (jack’s dads shoes on Locke, Hurley with the guitar ala Charlie, Sayid in handcuffs ala Kate) does anyone think that Kate is preggers?
The “promise to an old friend” line and him later being bloody definitely led to believe there was an attempt, successful or not, on Penny’s life.
As for where they ended up, I’m pretty sure O6 “flashed” back to whatever time the rest of the survivors are in — likely the mid-to-late Dharma period where Charlotte is a kid. Jinn is in Dharma gear because they’re now stuck in this time period and need to blend in. Now the O6 will have to do the same while things right themselves. Potentially cool shit that could happen:
- Old Ben meeting Young Ben. Perhaps Old Ben is the one who convinces Young Ben to genocide the Dharma Initiative?
- Ben meeting his father/Uncle Rico.
- Miles meeting his baby self.
- Will Locke be imbued with the same sort of omnipotence that Christian Shepherd seems to have upon being resurrected?
RE: Paris’ Theory: hahahahahahahaah! no.
The Locke omnipotence question is really interesting! Because then we’d have a main character who knows everything and might finally be willing to divulge some of it to the audience. But probably not. (definitely not)
And again, as I just said on my board, I’ve convinced myself now that it was Ghost Charlie who changed Hurley’s mind to get on the plane. I can’t think of anyone else Hurley would trust enough to get on the plane. And it’d explain the guitar.
Whoah, you’re dead on with the guitar thing. It probably belonged to Charlie and, like with Christian’s shoes, is the Charlie proxy.
So does this mean… is Charlie resurrected somewhere on the island?!
I liked this episode. I’m certain the show’s writers would think this is one of the most important episodes that we’ve ever seen in terms of character. Everyone (well, almost) puts aside their doubts and trepidation and marches off the face their destiny. Liked the little moment about Thomas the apostle, too… no one remembers him for being brave and loyal, just for failing to take a leap of faith.
• I didn’t think of it until I read it here, but Ben TOTALLY went off to murder Penny. Guess we’ll find out if he succeeded soon enough.
• The “British schoolmarm” delivery device never fails to add charm and smoothness to otherwise dull exposition.
• I always say this, but I’ll say it again: Jeff Fahey does great work with very little. He plays the only character on the show that I’d like to have a beer with.
• The Island is deadly. The Island ruins peoples’ lives. The Island sucks people into it and won’t let them go until it’s used them up. Is it possible that the Island has evil intentions and should be destroyed?
• Locke will clearly get resurrected, but I expect he’ll be not much more than a ghostly adviser to Jack, since his sacrifice won’t mean much if he gets everything back. If we’re working with a Christ metaphor here (hey! 3:16!), Jesus didn’t do very much after he returned from the dead. Emboldened his believers, tasked some people with responsibility, then ascended.
• Charlie is dead. He ain’t comin’ back anywhere but Hurley’s huge head.
• The most important unexplained mystery from the episode: who else was on that plane? We’ve seen enough of these mysterious hired goons to know that Widmore could effortlessly track the Oceanic survivors onto the plane and supplant any passengers with his own people. I assume the people that were supposed to return to the Island got yanked to the same time as their friends, while the plane crashed in the present. The time-skippers confirmed as much previously when they arrived at the existing camp, saw some items from an Indian airline, and got fired upon in their canoes.
Here were my original thoughts:
- The guitar case Hurley has is full of snacks
- Everyone definitely got split up on the re-entrance to the island and they’re in different times.
- Kate left the baby with Claire’s mom. Or sent him to be with Sun’s baby.
- I thought Ben was busted up because he did it to himself then blamed it on Sayid, thus getting Sayid arrested and deported
- I’ll admit, I was freaked out when Jack heard someone in his apartment. Especially because I have everything on closed captioning and when that happened it said, “footsteps running lightly.” Creepy.
- I had to laugh when Jack said, “This is RIDICULOUS.” Because I thought he was echoing what most of us were thinking.
- This episode made me realize yet again, how perpetual motion makes me seasick.
- They still haven’t addressed why Ben all of a sudden gets to go back. He wasn’t on the plane. After turning the big wheel he wasn’t supposed to go back.
- In the same way, Desmond shouldn’t be on the plane anyway, because he arrived by boat 3 years before they landed.
- I thought it was interesting that Faraday’s “mom” had no reaction to hearing Desmond.
- Why does anyone ask Ben anything any more? He’s just obviously lying. Besides, he’s said it more than once: I ALWAYS have a plan.
- I also loved that when the plane was crashing, Hurley just put on his sleep mask and leaned back.
- I think Locke’s message was perfect. If he had said, once again, “You NEED to believe,” Jack would’ve once again, shook his head and told Locke he was crazy. But if Locke GUILTS him into it, saying Jack is the reason everything fell apart, then Jack will be the big band-aid and want to put everything back together again.
I think that the Ajira plane did not crash. It LANDED on the island.
“But Jeff, that’s stupid. Where would a plane land on the island?!”
Well, it landed on the airstrip that captured Kate, Sawyer, and other individuals were building back in season X (where X is a number that I don’t remember).
Landing the plane brings Ben and Locke back into the mix with the others, and a whole new boat (plane) load of people to be the progenators of the Others thru time shifts (as I had theorized before).
Well, at least it’s more plausible than Paris’ weekly tin foil hat theory.
What, like, an emergency landing? I can’t imagine why Lepedis or whatever his name is would want to land there.
Also, it makes me unreasonably happy whenever I see your name on the activity list. And Gosia says she misses you and wants to know why you never come visit us. Why do you hate us?!
I’ve been sick for the last 3 and a half weeks.
It started as a dual sinus and ear infection, then it became the stoach bug that killed most of my school, then I got the fo’ real flu with fever hallucinations and all which lasted 6 days(during one of my fever dreams, I thought that I had completely understood everything about lost), and then I had laryngitis which I have still not completely recovered from. All of this back to back to back to back. Now I take centrum. But anyway, I’m free on saturday if you want to do something.
Also, yeah, like an emergency landing.
Jeff said:I got the fo’ real flu with fever hallucinations and all which lasted 6 days(during one of my fever dreams, I thought that I had completely understood everything about lost)
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!
And, you have a very short memory. We’re doing the all-day movies thing Saturday.
Not a short memory, I just didn’t actually read the main post or the first page of comments on that best picture post…
Which really explains why the first comment on the second page of comments was so confusing to me.
Also, to support my theory that the plane landed on the second, smaller island on the airstrip – the hawaii 5-0 boats that were at the camp with the Ajira water bottle in them were the same boats that the Others were using on that isalnd. They were like the ones that Kate, Sawyer, and Karl used to escape.