Lost: The Little Prince
Nothing too mind-blowing for most of the episode, just a steady plot advance I’d say. Thoughts and spoilers below…
uh… until fucking Jin and Rousseau showed up!!!
From even last week I figured it was Claire’s mother who was after Aaron. I actually started doubting that theory because it was too obvious. I guess the real question is, who tipped her off?
Okay I am admittedly writing this with 10 minutes to go in the episode. Claire’s mom in fact knows nothing and now my thoughts on Sun feel more legitimate.
Sun seems to be carrying herself differently. She has become an angry woman (just as equally happy before leaving the island) and seems to be almost a little evil. As an audience member, I’m beginning to lose my trust in her. Okay but maybe now she just wants Ben dead and that’s it.
I was surprised to find that Juliet didn’t know why the nosebleeds are happening. She still obviously knows so much more. It’s a shame that the writers have her holding back so much. With the new Season 5 cleavage and the rifle-toting, I really don’t want to hate her character.
Both Kate (about her situation with Aaron) and Sawyer (with witnessing Kate in the forest) opened up to someone else for once. I found that to be a significant change in their old characters. Nice parallel too since they might be in love and all.
Charlotte bled first, then Miles (with Faraday’s “Are you sure [about only being here for two weeks]?” comment), then Juliet. Faraday mentioned something about duration on the island. I was thinking it was the last one on the island bled first, but then Juliet beat out the Losties, so maybe Charlotte and Miles were on the island before everyone in the current party.
Theory: when you hear the jungle whispers it means that a second manifestation of yourself just jumped to your current location in time.
Bonus: 42 was in the address. The numbers, I hope they get more significant again.
Reminder: What’s up with the concept of a “constant”? Do the nosebleeders not have a constant? Does each person in L.A. match up with a constant on the island?
I need to write up a time line for all of this. I truly enjoy this season so far. The time travel allows for all those histories we’ve wondered about to get weaved together. Sure it’s a bit jumbled, but it’s challenging and that’s the exact opposite of most shows right now.
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I was thinking the same thing about “Constants” with Charlotte’s nosebleeds. With Miles and Juliet getting them now, maybe not constants?
And yes, the episode was pretty plot advancing until Jin and Rousseau made the appearance. Then it was awesome.
And I hope the numbers become more and more significant as the season/series moves along.
charlotte was born on the island. we were theorizing miles was also (see previous episode with halliwax/candle scene with a baby).
Miles was definitely born on the Island. I wouldn’t say Charlotte was definitely born there, but she was definitely there as a child. The issues of No Constant == Bloody Nose Death has already been covered and shouldn’t really be up for debate at this point. Clearly everyone but Faraday needs to find or already has found a constant (though they may not realize it yet.) Lock and Sawyer either are one another’s constant (or Kate is Sawyers constant, thus saving him a nosebleed via voyeurism) or they’re bound to experience them soon enough.
Paris’ theory is nutso and not at all true as usual.
I think one thing that was bound to happen (but had to happen) is the increasing predictability of much of the show. It has be that way. It serves too wide an audience not to foreshadow the living hell out of everything. There are only so many curve balls they can throw at us without annoying the audience. We all knew the dude floating in the water was going to be someone we had already met because they wouldn’t show his face. We all knew Jinn wasn’t dead. We all knew Roussaeu was bound to show up with the whole time travel thing cause it was the only possible way for the writers to resolve that part of the story. I’m sure we come up with quite an extensive list of things that will happen, and soon, because there’s a demand or a need, plot-wise, for them to happen.
Basically, the fun of guessing is being removed because things have to become more obvious; like the denoument of a good Agatha Christie novel. In essence, Paris’ Bizarre Lost Theory of the Week is just going to be that much more bizarre if he keeps ignoring the literary trail the writers are, at this point, forced to follow as a network television show. If Lost were written by David Lynch, maybe it’d be another story. But alas, it’s not. It’s a network sci-fi show. It’s gonna be fairly obvious form this point forward.
That said… what’s more fun that watching a bunch of great writers tie up loose ends. It’s the payoff. The few curveballs they do manage to throw us will be great. I’m loving this season so far.
I have but one complaint: Sawyer. I’ve complained about the character before — that he’s boring and shallow (in the literary sense). But c’mon. This is getting out of hand. He just stomps around grumbling and growling like an ape with all the expected pauses for his sensitive side. Dear Lost writers: please stop pandering to shallow women with idealized images of men. It doesn’t make for interesting television.
Paris said:Charlotte bled first, then Miles (with Faraday’s “Are you sure [about only being here for two weeks]?” comment), then Juliet. Faraday mentioned something about duration on the island. I was thinking it was the last one on the island bled first, but then Juliet beat out the Losties, so maybe Charlotte and Miles were on the island before everyone in the current party.
What if it’s the exact opposite?
Also, why didn’t the boat they were rowing disappear when they flashed into the storm? I fucking hate time travel.
he gets to do that because he’s pretty.
Jay, judging by the fact that they take the clothes on their back with them as they travel through time, it would seem that anything they’re touching goes with them. I actually shouted, when they were on the boat and the light flashed “IS THE BOAT GONNA GO WITH THEM?!” because it would answer a pretty crucial question. And it did. It opens new plot elements. Taking items from the future into the past and vice versa.
Who knows if it’s a radius or physical contact type thing, but it seems so minor a detail I doubt the writers will cover it. But I do suspect that it will end up playing an important role at some point.
To be clear, I think the HOW of it is the minor detail; radius vs. contact or whatever. I don’t think they’ll want to get into it because it brings up questions like “WELL WHY DOESN’T THE GROUND AND THE PLANTS MOVE THROUGH TIME WITH THEM?!” type nit-picky questions. I just expect it to be important, but glossed over.
Latenight LOST thoughts:
- I kind of wish they didn’t’ have to blatantly introduce Rousseau like they did in this episode. There were a bunch of French people, one being young, brunette, and pregnant.. I’m pretty sure the audience had it figured out before the big name reveal at the end! They could have just made a little “This is Danielle Rousseau etc.” in pop-up LOST next week?
- I’m really sad that Kate didn’t throw a hot pocket at Ben when she saw him off the island for the first time.
- I’m pretty sure that Miles’ nosebleed solidifies the theory that he is Candle’s son/was born on the island?
Also, does anyone else think Daniel is a little clingy?
Jenelle said:
- I kind of wish they didn’t’ have to blatantly introduce Rousseau like they did in this episode. There were a bunch of French people, one being young, brunette, and pregnant.. I’m pretty sure the audience had it figured out before the big name reveal at the end! They could have just made a little “This is Danielle Rousseau etc.” in pop-up LOST next week?
Completely. This all ties in with what I was getting at with the increasing predictability of the show. The said truth of it is that there are people who are watching episode to episode who have a very hard time following it and need everything spelled out. With the wide audience the show has attracted, the writers are being forced to put giant, blinking, neon signs on every piece of foreshadowing and every reveal. It takes the wind out of my sails a bit.
I agree that the tie-ups are very rewarding for the audience.
Hutch, I’m glad the show is getting so predictable for you. Why didn’t you let us know ahead of time that Locke would be transported back to 1954 and meet a young Charles Widmore. Jeez, how did we all not see THAT coming?
Oh, and in response to some of Paris’s stuff…
I don’t think the constant stuff applies to what’s happening to the island nosebleeders. The constant was necessary for Desmond whose consciousness was unstuck in time. These people are physically traveling through time. There’s definitely a distinction in the mythology of the show.
I was also happy to see the numbers coming back. In addition to the 42, Ben gave instructions to meet him at dock 23 at the marina.
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Banned Bill said:Hutch, I’m glad the show is getting so predictable for you. Why didn’t you let us know ahead of time that Locke would be transported back to 1954 and meet a young Charles Widmore. Jeez, how did we all not see THAT coming?
“The few curveballs they do manage to throw us will be great.”
You have no clue what the hell is going to happen other than “time travel will happen. people will get back to the island. more people will totally get killed.”
Right, but that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that everything is going to be so set up, you will predict it before the big reveal. I was referring, specifically, to the foreshadowing. It wasn’t that big a shock that Jinn was alive (though it was awesome about who found him). It wasn’t a shock that the french lady’s name was Daniel Roussaeu. These sorts of things. The show is predictable in that sense.
And again, my young Widmore example is perfect. That was their big reveal and you didn’t see it coming. Did you expect to see Faraday in the Orchid station with Marvin Candle? Did you predict ahead of time that you’d talk out of your ass so much?
Am I speaking esperanto or something? I’m talking about the goddamn foreshadowing spoiling what would have otherwise been big reveals. I also quite clearly noted how the unpredictable things that they are doing are great. I gave concrete examples of both things, for fuck’s sake. What part aren’t you getting?
You’re speaking Assperanto. You’re talking about the reveals being obvious, and I’m telling you that if a single episode had 2 obvious reveals in it, that doesn’t mean the show is becoming predictable. The part I’m not getting is the part where you’re not a toolbag. I’ve never gotten that part!
No it means that it’s becoming more predictable, which was what I actually said. There were far more than two examples and I don’t care enough to go dig them up and list them cause it doesn’t matter.
My point was and remains that the writers are being forced to talk down to the audience a bit and foreshadow the living hell out of a bunch of things; that we will be able to predict more things than we have in the past because those certain things have to happen in the literary sense. They say “if you’re going to show us a gun in Act 1, it had better go off in Act 2.” We’ve been shown a whole lot of guns and between here and the end of next season, a lot of them are bound to go off. It’s a shame that the writers feel inclined to foreshadow the hell out of so many of these “shots,” so to speak.
That’s all I’m trying to say. Quit being a jerk about it.
And apparently the “they” in “They say ‘if you’re going to show a gun…’” is Anton Chekov. I had to look it up.
John said:That’s all I’m trying to say. Quit being a jerk about it.
Irony (n): The act of John Hutchinson saying the preceding phrase to anyone ever.
I will fight you.
I liked this episode.
And my crazy theory is that the people firing upon the canoe were the Oceanic 6, in the future, confusing them for someone else.
Locke doesn’t need a constant because the Island is his constant. Yet… If he leaves and takes too long to tie up his business off-Island, he dies.
I agree whole-heartedly with John about Chekov’s Rule. It doesn’t bother me too much when they hit you over the head a little too hard with these big, somewhat obvious reveals. I think it’s less about informing a big audience and more about the writers expressing an excitable exhilaration with themselves over finally rounding some of these goal posts. It feels good to hear some pieces clack into place with a satisfying thunk.
When one of the characters loses a toe, however, we’re all gonna slap our foreheads a little bit.
It might have been Bill or Maggie, but someone pointed out Sawyer getting stabbed in the foot last episode whilst walking someplace. Totally gonna get infected and have to amputate.