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billy bragg brought up a point at his concert that as much as the rest of the world held so much against america for the past 8 years, if we ended up electing obama, the world would stand up and notice. and he was right. this country has just broken so much ground that the rest of the planet will not get around to doing for awhile. we just made up for the past decade and then some.
mandy said:this country has just broken so much ground that the rest of the planet will not get around to doing for awhile.
I don’t know what you mean by this. I’m guessing it’s probably obvious what you’re actually talking about, but all I keep thinking is, “Wait… like Black people? Other countries have had Black leaders for a while. That can’t be it.”
And in other things I don’t understand (which happen to also involve Black people), is Kanye West a Half Life superfan or what?

Well, it’s good to be an Obama supporter, but I guess not as good to be a gay Obama supporter though. Constitutional bans on gay marriage are being passed all over. Although medical marijuana in Michigan looks like it’ll win out.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/ballot.measures/
I stood out on my steps and watched the nurses dance around with each other at the hospital next door and cars full of people kept honking. I can hear honking and some cheering on Broad Street, can see some people passing through the intersection… but I think I wanna be here to watch his speech live. I’ve already got some footage of total strangers bouncing around on top of cars.
I’ll try not to think about the gay marriage bans for now. Ugh.
Sammy said:mandy said:this country has just broken so much ground that the rest of the planet will not get around to doing for awhile.
I don’t know what you mean by this. I’m guessing it’s probably obvious what you’re actually talking about, but all I keep thinking is, “Wait… like Black people? Other countries have had Black leaders for a while. That can’t be it.”
eh, he said it not me. and he was referencing the likes of France, China, the UK and such which have all not had minority leaders, nor will they for probably a long time to come. go ahead and overthink it if you want though. it made sense to me at the time.
You guys… I’ve watched so many historical moments on tv as they were happening, the death and funeral of John Kennedy, first walk on the moon, vietnam war protests, and the war itself, more war… more war…
But this is the most freaking emotional and amazing thing ever. Finally, the real face of America is being represented, making so many people proud.
just awesome.
Yeah all the European countries that look down on us for not having a black dude are all full of xenophobes and racists of another type. Suggest a gypsy prime minister to an Italian and see what they say.
And, if I may rain on all your exuberance, now that he’s won, he’d better do a good fucking job.
mandy said:
eh, he said it not me. and he was referencing the likes of France, China, the UK and such which have all not had minority leaders, nor will they for probably a long time to come. go ahead and overthink it if you want though. it made sense to me at the time.
Oh, I didn’t hear his acceptance speech, or whenever it was he said it. I was driving or something, and they weren’t playing it on NPR. The UK is a monarchy (sorta), so unless you get in a time machine and change the bloodline, you’re kinda stuck with pale rulers… BUT, one can argue that they’ve had queens in control of things for a long time, which is something we’ve never had. Sorry, Sen. Clinton. Same with France for that matter.
And seriously, a minority leader in China? I guess it does kind of stick out especially for them, since you could have a subculture with a population of a hundred million people still qualify as a minority, but really, they have a completely different political structure (and history) as well.
I know it’s a big deal to have an African American president(-elect) with our particular history of racism and slavery, but I’m always a little skeptical when it comes to patting ourselves on the back. While this is a great step forward for us, who’s to say that racism is less of a problem here than perhaps the UK, France, or any other countries without a specifically-racial-minority leader in recent memory?
I mean, what would be the larger victory: a minority leader or stable and equitable large-scale race relations?
I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade, mind you, I’m just trying to clear up my earlier confusion. As I said, I didn’t hear his speech, so I was asking you what you might mean by it.
Broad Street was pretty amazing. The majority of the people were clustered a couple blocks away from me, people of all races and ages and sexual orientations and backgrounds cheering and hugging. Lots of Obama signs, flags, lots of cheering, lots of chanting, and a core of people in the center singing the national anthem.
Now I know how the Ewoks felt.
Yeah, racism is nowhere near dead or anything. I know I’m going to go into work tomorrow and face some pissed off truck drivers who will hate the fact that a n****** is president. Not to mention the stupid little shit, like this im I received a few minutes after he won:
“did u hear they are taking down the staue of liberty and puttin up aunt jamima with a chicken leg and taking the rose garden out of the white house and putting in a watermellon patch "
putting the grammar issues aside, it’s not even funny.
Sammy said:mandy said:
eh, he said it not me. and he was referencing the likes of France, China, the UK and such which have all not had minority leaders, nor will they for probably a long time to come. go ahead and overthink it if you want though. it made sense to me at the time.
Oh, I didn’t hear his acceptance speech, or whenever it was he said it. I was driving or something, and they weren’t playing it on NPR. The UK is a monarchy (sorta), so unless you get in a time machine and change the bloodline, you’re kinda stuck with pale rulers… BUT, one can argue that they’ve had queens in control of things for a long time, which is something we’ve never had. Sorry, Sen. Clinton. Same with France for that matter.
the “monarchy” in the UK is merely a traditional figurehead. they have nothing to do with the government. their Prime Ministers are voted for in nearly the exact same way as our Presidents. and their televised Parliamental meetings are far more hilarious than ours.
Since everyone’s chiming in here let me just say: Fucking wow. I started getting choked up yesterday when I went to vote and saw so many African American people voting with their whole families and thinking how if this thing happens, how fucking awesome that must have been for them to cast that vote with their kids. But last night as the results were coming in, not just from the usual states, but from all over, and seeing all the celebrations and people crying.
I mean yeah, politically this is the guy I wanted to win because I agree with his policies. But on top of that he ran a brilliant campaign that raised the bar. Fuck, they threw everything at him. Everything. They called him a traitor, a terrorist, a communist, they mocked his name, they mocked his church, the called him a socialist and behind closed doors I’m sure even worse names. And he didn’t get flustered and he did’t lower himself to that level. And he still won. And he didn’t just get 271 electoral votes. He got a lot more.
I loved being able to explain this to my daughter about the fact that when her grandparents were kids, it was still legal in this country to discriminate against someone because of their skin color, but now someone who in their lifetime was restricted from doing certain things is now the most powerful man in the country. Especially since we live in a town that is diverse racially and her friends cross the spectrum many times over. And even though she was doing the normal “I like who my parents like” thing when we were watching the returns, the fact is she was interested and she was excited to watch and understand the process especially once it was explained to her how significant this was.
And yeah, I agree with Mandy (or whoever Mandy was quoting). While the rest of the world has the right to laugh at us and sneer when it comes to our puritanical views on religion and sex and abortion and homosexuality, when it comes to racial equality and relations, they have as long a way to go as we do, and after last night they have even longer to go.
Fagun said:Phillies actually got 424 votes!
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/allcandidates/
HAHA, http://phillies2008.org/
GEORGE Phillies!
after being at the newspaper until about 11:30 doing local and national election stories, most of us here at the times went to hollywood diner on 45 for a few drinks and to watch obama speak.
newly re-elected freeholder and state senate majority leader steve sweeney was there, with a few of his constituents, and he was PLASTERED. he was yelling at the tv to obama saying “OUR PRESIDENT! YEAH!” i yelled “steve” over to him and tipped my glass. and through his blurriness, i’m sure he didn’t notice the whole news department of the gloucester county times staring him down.
Reggie said:Fagun said:Phillies actually got 424 votes!
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/allcandidates/
HAHA, http://phillies2008.org/
GEORGE Phillies!
going off of this when i read it, i decided to include it into my gloucester county times story. i added a funny kicker at the end and the copy desk left it in!! either they thought it was funny too, or they didn’t really read it.

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